firewall which one use

Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

Have you tried BlackICE or Tiny Personal Firewall? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"David Sherman" wrote in message

Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

I don't have an answer for you. But while we're on the topic, what's the theory behind blocking outbound traffic? To keep some rogue malware from sneaking packets out through an unusual port or something?


"David Sherman" wrote in message

Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

It tells you what is trying to access the internet including legitimate programs you might not suspect of trying to connect to the internet.
Joe
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

I don't have an answer for you. But while we're on the topic, what's the theory behind blocking outbound traffic? To keep some rogue malware from sneaking packets out through an unusual port or something?


"David Sherman" wrote in message Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:36:32 +0100, David Sherman wrote:

Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

Isn't the concept of blocking outbound traffic a bit wrong? Surely the ONLY way to protect your PC and internal network, is to prevent whatever you are concerned about, getting on there in the 1st place.
This is how I view my PC security, and I have never had any virus or spyware attacks in over 12 years.
I use my routers NAT, combined with the build in XP firewall, which performs very well, uses very little in the way of resources and introduces no network latency, compared to all other 3rd party firewall products..

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Normally a firewall checks incoming traffic to ensure it originated from an internal request. Surely you wouldn't check outbound traffic to see if is originated from an internal or external request. But it sounds like it's just a tool to alert you when certain outgoing ports are being used. Sounds a little gimmicky to me. But hey, what do I know?

"Mark Gillespie" wrote in message On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:36:32 +0100, David Sherman wrote:

Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

Isn't the concept of blocking outbound traffic a bit wrong? Surely the ONLY way to protect your PC and internal network, is to prevent whatever you are concerned about, getting on there in the 1st place.
This is how I view my PC security, and I have never had any virus or spyware attacks in over 12 years.
I use my routers NAT, combined with the build in XP firewall, which performs very well, uses very little in the way of resources and introduces no network latency, compared to all other 3rd party firewall products..

I got hit with a serious virus attack a coouple weeks ago. The only reason that I know that I had been hacked is thst free Zone Alarm told me that a program wanted access to the internet. It was a program that I didn't know about.
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:05:26 -0400, "Puppy Breath" wrote:

I don't have an answer for you. But while we're on the topic, what's the theory behind blocking outbound traffic? To keep some rogue malware from sneaking packets out through an unusual port or something?


"David Sherman" wrote in message Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

As I can tell, neither is Vista ready.
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:03:19 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Have you tried BlackICE or Tiny Personal Firewall? -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"David Sherman" wrote in message Since it appears that Vista doesn't have a good outbound protection firewall, I wanted to install the free version of Zone Alarm. So I downloaded v6.1.744.001 which I hope is the latest version.
Since ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 doesn't run on Vista, are there any free firewalls that I can use?
thanks

Hello!
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Normally a firewall checks incoming traffic to ensure it originated from an internal request. Surely you wouldn't check outbound traffic to see if is originated from an internal or external request. But it sounds like it's just a tool to alert you when certain outgoing ports are being used. Sounds a little gimmicky to me. But hey, what do I know?

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Vista_firewall_shackled_due_to_customer_demand_Microsoft/0,2000061733,39252954,00.htm

The firewall in Windows Vista will, by default, have half its protection turned off because that is what enterprise customers have requested, according to the software giant.
When Windows Vista is released early next year its firewall will be set to only block incoming traffic even though it will be capable of blocking outgoing traffic. According to a statement from Microsoft, the firewall's protection will be curbed in order to make life easier for the company's enterprise customers.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/4/26/3750
Regards, Roman

Makes sense. Blocking outgoing ports could drive ya batty. Except for that one example from the original poster where some virus got past his malware defenses, there doesn't seem to be much point to it. But after-the-infection virus protection leaves much to be desired. That stuff shouldn't be getting on the system in the first place.

"roman modic" wrote in message

Hello!
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Normally a firewall checks incoming traffic to ensure it originated from an internal request. Surely you wouldn't check outbound traffic to see if is originated from an internal or external request. But it sounds like it's just a tool to alert you when certain outgoing ports are being used. Sounds a little gimmicky to me. But hey, what do I know?
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Vista_firewall_shackled_due_to_customer_demand_Microsoft/0,2000061733,39252954,00.htm

The firewall in Windows Vista will, by default, have half its protection turned off because that is what enterprise customers have requested, according to the software giant.
When Windows Vista is released early next year its firewall will be set to only block incoming traffic even though it will be capable of blocking outgoing traffic. According to a statement from Microsoft, the firewall's protection will be curbed in order to make life easier for the company's enterprise customers.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/4/26/3750
Regards, Roman

I was just playing with Advanced Security Configuration Console and its not that difficult, with a little reading and understanding of UI, it shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Its automatically installed by default also in build 5365, so thats one hurdle over. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Makes sense. Blocking outgoing ports could drive ya batty. Except for that one example from the original poster where some virus got past his malware defenses, there doesn't seem to be much point to it. But after-the-infection virus protection leaves much to be desired. That stuff shouldn't be getting on the system in the first place.

"roman modic" wrote in message Hello!
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Normally a firewall checks incoming traffic to ensure it originated from an internal request. Surely you wouldn't check outbound traffic to see if is originated from an internal or external request. But it sounds like it's just a tool to alert you when certain outgoing ports are being used. Sounds a little gimmicky to me. But hey, what do I know?
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Vista_firewall_shackled_due_to_customer_demand_Microsoft/0,2000061733,39252954,00.htm

The firewall in Windows Vista will, by default, have half its protection turned off because that is what enterprise customers have requested, according to the software giant.
When Windows Vista is released early next year its firewall will be set to only block incoming traffic even though it will be capable of blocking outgoing traffic. According to a statement from Microsoft, the firewall's protection will be curbed in order to make life easier for the company's enterprise customers.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/4/26/3750
Regards, Roman

Yeah, I see. Good find. So getting back to the original post for this thread, you could set the default for Outgoing ports to Block. Then just create exceptions for what you think is OK. Exceptions can be based on program, protocol, address, port, group memberhsip, computer etc. You can import and export policies. The whole 9 yards.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I was just playing with Advanced Security Configuration Console and its not that difficult, with a little reading and understanding of UI, it shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Its automatically installed by default also in build 5365, so thats one hurdle over. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Makes sense. Blocking outgoing ports could drive ya batty. Except for that one example from the original poster where some virus got past his malware defenses, there doesn't seem to be much point to it. But after-the-infection virus protection leaves much to be desired. That stuff shouldn't be getting on the system in the first place.

"roman modic" wrote in message Hello!
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Normally a firewall checks incoming traffic to ensure it originated from an internal request. Surely you wouldn't check outbound traffic to see if is originated from an internal or external request. But it sounds like it's just a tool to alert you when certain outgoing ports are being used. Sounds a little gimmicky to me. But hey, what do I know?
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Vista_firewall_shackled_due_to_customer_demand_Microsoft/0,2000061733,39252954,00.htm

The firewall in Windows Vista will, by default, have half its protection turned off because that is what enterprise customers have requested, according to the software giant.
When Windows Vista is released early next year its firewall will be set to only block incoming traffic even though it will be capable of blocking outgoing traffic. According to a statement from Microsoft, the firewall's protection will be curbed in order to make life easier for the company's enterprise customers.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/4/26/3750
Regards, Roman